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Post by ExSeth on Apr 5, 2017 2:46:58 GMT 1
For Absolutely No Nefarious Purpose, I'd like to see you put up your theoretical overall Yomi character tier list. Please include all 20 characters, and don't include too many ties. To get everyone started, a tier list based purely on the Historical Match-up Chart would look something like: 1 - Troq 2 - Zane 3 - Geiger 4 - Setsuki 5 - Argagarg 6 - BBB 7 - DeGrey 8 - Onimaru 9 - Rook 10 - Grave 11 - Midori 12 - Lum 13 - Menelker 14 - Persephone 15 - Gloria 16 - Quince 17 - Gwen 18 - Vendetta 19 - Valerie 20 - Jaina I realize that asking for a strict 1-20 list is oversimplifying character value, match-ups, versatility, popular formats, etc., but I'd appreciate it if you'd humor me on this. Thanks.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Apr 5, 2017 20:18:14 GMT 1
I can't actually do a 1 to 20 ranked list.
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Post by "Jonny D" Jonny "Jonny D" D on Apr 10, 2017 11:19:26 GMT 1
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1 - Troq 2 - Zane 3 - DeGrey 4 - Geiger
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5 - Setsuki 6 - Grave 7 - Valerie 8 - Gloria 9 - Argagarg
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10 - Menelker 11 - Quince 12 - Onimaru 13 - Lum 14 - Rook 15 - Gwen 16 - Persephone
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17 - BBB (Lopsided matchups both ways.) 18 - Vendetta (Lopsided matchups both ways.)
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19 - Midori (High variance.) 20 - Jaina (Lowest effective HP in the game due to the fact she draws her jokers the least.)
Something like that? Top of my head without actually cracking down matchup numbers.
List you have sounds about right for tournament viability
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Post by ExSeth on Apr 10, 2017 16:20:18 GMT 1
Yep, that's exactly what I'm looking for. I realize that gathering these opinions For Absolutely No Nefarious Purpose will still net me with just that, opinions, but I still feel the effort should be made. Thanks Jonny, you're an absolute doll.
And MJ I understand completely. The only way I can do it is by remembering that just because some characters are more equal than others doesn't mean I can't love all of them.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Apr 10, 2017 18:16:51 GMT 1
It's less that I don't want to, and more that I don't have enough experience to call anything except maybe the top 4 and bottom 4, and even then I'd want to be able to say "these characters are basically the same in terms of general power level."
The only thing I'm confident in calling to the level of precision you're asking for is that Troq is #1, and Jaina is #20.
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Post by thehug0naut on Apr 20, 2017 12:30:27 GMT 1
I also don't feel I have the expertise to be giving full lists, but I would order the consensus top 4 as:
1 - Zane 2 - Troq 3 - Geiger 4 - DeGrey
Simply because Zane steps on so many characters. Imo he is much more meta defining than any other character. His removal for 19XX straight up improves the game as far as I'm concerned. Yes Troq is almost certainly the "least bad" character but Zane makes me feel the "most bad" so he's my enemy #1.
I would label this group A+, since all four characters win with (on average) less successful combats than the rest of the cast and can get to the gamestates that allow them to do so easily and/or reliably.
At the opposite end, while I'm pretty sure that Jaina is deterministically the worst character due to her design, unless I'm playing vs Geiger she doesn't feel as bad to play as the stochastically poor characters like Midori or (to a slightly lesser extent) Vendetta. Not being able to compete because of poor draws feels worse to me than Jaina's issues, and these guys suffer from that issue much more often than the rest of the cast. I also think BBB has too many matches where he feels completely kerb stomped so he goes down there too. That gives me a bottom end probably looking like:
17 - Jaina 18 - BBB 19 - Vendetta 20 - Midori
But I do confess I have no idea where to put a number of characters (especially Valerie, Persephone and Gwen) in the rankings, so this is decidedly less certain for me than my top tier.
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