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Post by "Jonny D" Jonny "Jonny D" D on Sept 12, 2017 23:06:11 GMT 1
Yeah man if you want to spend your free time playing tournament Yomi I don't think you should worry about your schedule. The player base isn't super huge so I think people just appreciate those who sign up. Worst comes to worst you just drop the set. Its unfortunate when that happens, but yeah man if you're enjoying the tournament aspect of the game that much I don't see a problem with the restricted scheduling.
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Post by scymrian on Sept 13, 2017 1:04:22 GMT 1
I mean, maybe I'm just projecting because scheduling problems is my single biggest tilt issue in Yomi. People don't reply to convos, people don't show up on time, fuck, even people who sign up and then no-show the entire tournament. Even if I get a bye from that it just irritates me more than anything.
It's like the number one reason I wish the community were bigger was so that we could afford to punish the people that piss me off instead of having to suck it up and keep dealing with them lest our game die.
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Post by scymrian on Sept 13, 2017 1:06:20 GMT 1
Anyway, out of IYL and probably out of the tournament scene for some time, then! Maybe if the right tournament rears its head. Time to just haunt forums.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 13, 2017 13:37:10 GMT 1
I do love a good ghost so please be sure to celebrate your undeath. If I'm not SPOOKED BUT GOOD, I won't even put flowers on your hidden grave.
As for the scheduling snafus. I haven't had too many scheduling issues for the most part. I suspect that my limited schedule makes people commit harder since there are often not subsequent opportunities. If people don't show up, I just take the forfeit and run.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 13, 2017 16:16:57 GMT 1
Does anyone else think about their characters like they're a pokemon team in that you need to make sure you have answers to certain kinds of challenging characters? For instance, I have a huge Zane problem in the sense that everyone I enjoy playing is either even or disadvantaged against him. And since I keep losing to him, I've been toying with picking up Onimaru to take care of Zane. And, of course, if I play Oni, I have to worry about DeGrey and Argagarg and then I check these matchups against the other characters in my stable (I make them wear horse hair ponytails) and I realize that Quince covers both those matchups adequately for meeeeeeeeee.
Anywho, this isn't as interesting as I thought it was. I basically just described my own personal variation of the carousel. So let's dig into that instead. Does anyone have a certain carousel plan that's unexpected?
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Post by scymrian on Sept 13, 2017 19:09:27 GMT 1
I definitely have said repeatedly that the main reason I play Zane is to half-assedly justify my play of Onimaru. I think that's fairly expected by any of my opponents who do research. And I've been playing at adding different characters as well, but mostly because I enjoy their patterns (Setsuki and Menelker most lately). This was a large part of the motivation between my Composite MUC and later phrawger's MUCMUC (All hail!)
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 13, 2017 20:08:05 GMT 1
Somehow, I have completely missed that revelation! I need to raid all of your Onimaru tech. Well, yours and mysticjuicer 's.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 14, 2017 1:20:29 GMT 1
It's been really fun learning Gloria so that I have a consistent answer to Argagarg! Building a personal carousel is fun!
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 14, 2017 13:54:44 GMT 1
I'm happy to say that I go over my hatred of the devilfish by playing Zqxx so much. Of course, playing Quince helps with that a lot. Speaking of Gloria, does anyone else find themselves playing their own hearts cards against her? Playing against her makes me evaluate my suits differently in ways that often don't make sense one way or another.
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Post by Zejety on Sept 14, 2017 13:55:39 GMT 1
I really just play the characters I enjoy. In those rare times where I feel I should counterpick, I just pick Arg, squint my eyes, and hope something comes out of it...
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 14, 2017 20:11:15 GMT 1
I got over my hatred of the devilfish by counterpicking as hard as humanly possible and doing a lot of cackling.
Switching to Oni, a character that I enjoy playing into Arg more than Rook, also helped. Oni/Arg is actually fun to play. Rook/Arg is not.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 14, 2017 20:34:04 GMT 1
I like that you're a part-time witch and own that. It's downright inspiring.
I have never actually minded the Rook side of Rook/Arg. Outside of some skewed MU's, I feel like you can kinda play against Arg very similarly with just about anyone. Or it may just be that most of the characters I play all have similar gameplans against him. Either way, I've got my solutions to Monsieur Poisson and he can enjoy fermenting underground covered in lye.
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Post by scymrian on Sept 14, 2017 21:13:18 GMT 1
Oni/Arg is easy. Just dodge AA and follow up with 10+, like me.
(then lose Zane/Gloria twice in a row, like me)
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Post by thehug0naut on Sept 15, 2017 10:31:48 GMT 1
flagrantangles Rook/Arg is a horrendous affair that you really don't want to be involved if you're playing Rook. Imho if you've previously found it ok its probably because the Arg player wasn't doing it right. The strategic game overwhelmingly favours the fish. Its also much less fun than Rook/Geiger since Arg doesn't really need to build a hand to effectively murder you.
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Post by Kraetyz on Sept 15, 2017 11:38:38 GMT 1
I really just play the characters I enjoy. In those rare times where I feel I should counterpick, I just pick Arg, squint my eyes, and hope something comes out of it... Holy shit Zejety, are you me? "I play Ven. Bad Ven MU? I play Arg. Bad Arg MU? Well shit I hope my opponent hits Bubble Shield."
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 15, 2017 13:17:08 GMT 1
That's totally possible. I normally play Quince so I don't have a ton of experience with Rook/Arg, especially not tournament experience. I'm still not sold on the argument, but I'm also not super invested since I play Monsieur Quonce who does just fine against the fishy foe. It would seem to me that Rock Armor would be pruy gud against a pokey Arg.
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Post by thehug0naut on Sept 15, 2017 23:12:12 GMT 1
We should play some Rook vs Arg sometime, I'll show you 😉
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 18, 2017 13:54:56 GMT 1
I'm down for it, honeycakes. We'll see whose mind is changed. Insert puns about water, rocks, and erosion.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 19, 2017 16:13:15 GMT 1
Guys, my current job gives me a lot of time after work and I'd love to use it to play Yomi. However, it also lets me run all of my errands and Yomi isn't winning that priority war. I think something might be wrong with my adult life.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 27, 2017 18:19:56 GMT 1
If my employment situation stabilizes, maybe I will finally invest in INTERNET and then I can play even more Yomi.
Also, does anyone else play Survival mode and count the number of times when their hands are checkmated to Rook's/Troq's K-throws because it's unusual how often it happens when I play with Gwen.
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Post by flagrantangles on Oct 11, 2017 14:03:43 GMT 1
I've been feeling pretty good about my Yomi-playing recently! I'm still in the upper bracket in TWO whole tournaments! I think my stats are only barely above mediocrity, if at all, but I'm not upset at that.
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Post by thehug0naut on Oct 11, 2017 23:40:49 GMT 1
That's awesome flangles, keep spinning and freezing and dominating all the fools! Sadly I've dropped out of 19XX and IYL playoffs in fairly quick succession, so now for the first time in ages I have no matches to schedule. Probably just as well with my busyness of late, but maybe it'll mean I'll finally get my dark sun RPG group back up and running. Also, I present your with your lifetime elo against a backdrop of all yomi-ers, to show you that you are better than you think! (Central dark red areas are 25-75% of all players, the next darkest bands contain 5-25% and 75-95% and the light fringes are the 0-5% and 95-100% players). You're currently in the top 5% and have spent most of your yomi career above the 75% threshold!
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Post by flagrantangles on Oct 12, 2017 12:52:52 GMT 1
Thank you for your statistical sorcery! It's pretty cool seeing the data like this, even if I'm not very good at parsing it! Looks like I had a moderately severe drop in early mid 2016 but I have mostly recovered from those times! I love playing some Persephone. I feel like she already makes your opponent feel anxious af and it's fun to capitalize on that.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Oct 12, 2017 13:58:06 GMT 1
Why do the upper and lower bounds appear to move so little? Is it because the holder of the highest ELO ranking is a retired player at this point?
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Post by Southpaw Hare on Oct 12, 2017 16:39:36 GMT 1
That's awesome flangles, keep spinning and freezing and dominating all the fools! Sadly I've dropped out of 19XX and IYL playoffs in fairly quick succession, so now for the first time in ages I have no matches to schedule. Probably just as well with my busyness of late, but maybe it'll mean I'll finally get my dark sun RPG group back up and running. Also, I present your with your lifetime elo against a backdrop of all yomi-ers, to show you that you are better than you think! (Central dark red areas are 25-75% of all players, the next darkest bands contain 5-25% and 75-95% and the light fringes are the 0-5% and 95-100% players). You're currently in the top 5% and have spent most of your yomi career above the 75% threshold! This is some fine work! Can you show me what my trend looks like? I suspect that it hasn't been incredible for most of my career, but I think it's taken a sharp spike up this year. I'd love to confirm.
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Post by thehug0naut on Oct 16, 2017 9:55:44 GMT 1
Ok so I finally got some time to look at this for you Southpaw Hare. Behold your elo chart! I also need to stress here that my wizardry only goes as far as displaying the information in a way that provides context - it was vengefulpickle who put the work in to actually calculate the scores. And yes mysticjuicer the top score hasn't moved since late 2016 because that was the last time cpat played in a tournament, and he currently holds the highest elo. I could try looking at some sort of "currently active" population filter for the data, I'm just not sure what criteria is the fairest to use for making that decision.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Oct 16, 2017 21:49:43 GMT 1
Maybe just "has played a game in the past 12 months" would be a good enough rule of thumb. No idea how big an undertaking it would be to beat the data into that kind of a shape.
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Post by Southpaw Hare on Oct 17, 2017 20:33:51 GMT 1
thehug0naut I think that these graphs would actually be better with a little less resolution, i.e. more smoothing. When doing a line graph, if you have maximum resolution, the line is just going to rapidly go up and down to every data point and look really jagged. Are you doing 52 weeks per year? Maybe consider doing something more like 12 months per year.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Oct 17, 2017 21:19:46 GMT 1
I smoothed it out by removing my glasses.
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Post by thehug0naut on Oct 18, 2017 9:05:41 GMT 1
Funnily enough I tend to view time-series data like this by first squinting at it, much like a juicer with no glasses, then when I've looked at the general trends I can return to full vision and see if the details hold anything meaningful.
I've intentionally not performed any temporal smoothing to give everyone as much data as possible, but I don't have a problem with reducing the resolution on request if that's your preference. I guess maybe I'm just used to parsing noisy data for a living so it doesn't bother me that it moves around so rapidly.
The individual data is just graphed as it is stored, and I think it's calculated match by match, looking at pickle's code. I'll see what I can do to shift it more to the realm of chess FIDE ratings where they update after each tournament concludes. What I've got here is more akin to unofficial "live" chess rankings, where they update after every result.
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