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Post by hamvvar on Sept 4, 2016 1:41:48 GMT 1
Today I did some IRL Yomi with my coworker during some slow time at work. I let him be Grave, I took Lum and we each won a round.
Golden quote of the match from him: "Grave is sexy. Before I was building to be like Goku, now I want to be like Grave."
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Post by Arkhan on Sept 4, 2016 2:58:56 GMT 1
Grave is the more reasonable goal. Goku flies, teleports, and shoots plasma out of his hands.
You could bullshit the lightning sword with some cleverly placed batteries/tasers.
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Post by FraaOrolo on Sept 11, 2016 19:27:52 GMT 1
I'm imagining how impractical a sword with a bunch of tasers taped to it would be . . .
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Post by hamvvar on Sept 12, 2016 2:35:05 GMT 1
there's some kind of negative correlation for practicality vs absolute awesomeness, though right?
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 12, 2016 19:10:48 GMT 1
#1 Rule of Cool #2 Everything else
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Post by FraaOrolo on Sept 13, 2016 2:21:26 GMT 1
looking at your pic mysticjuicer I've decided to get my GF to draw me a doodle . . . I'll be back if I convince her to do it
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 13, 2016 5:03:15 GMT 1
So someone on another forum mentioned Tarot cards and I was like "oh man those are fun to play with" and then I was like "oh god obviously I need to assign each of the High Arcana to the Fantasy Strike characters!" Clearly! The cards have got great, really thematic pictures on them, which is really helpful for generating associations and stories with - they're basically like an RNG for narratives! When I played a lot of pen-and-paper RPGs I would use them to flesh out backstories for characters if I was stuck, or couldn't think of anything cool.
I'm not particularly interested in doing "readings" for characters, but I am interested in how easily the Fantasy Strike cast fits into the major arcana (or whatever the "trumps" are called). I've removed the World and the Lovers from the High Arcana to leave 20. I think it's fairly obvious why no one person in the cast really fits the Lovers, and the World doesn't really make sense for anyone either, though I could maybe see it?
0 - the Fool - Zane 1 - the Magician - Geiger 2 - the High Priestess - Gloria 3 - the Empress - Persephone 4 - the Emperor - Quince 5 - the Hierophant - Rook
6 - the Lovers - omitted 7 - the Chariot - Setsuki 8 - Strength - Troq 9 - the Hermit - Argagarg 10 - Wheel of Fortune - Lum 11 - Justice - Grave 12 - the Hanged Man - DeGrey 13 - Death - Vendetta 14 - Temperance - Midori 15 - the Devil - Menelker 16 - the Tower - BBB 17 - the Star - Valerie 18 - the Moon - Gwen 19 - the Sun - Jaina 20 - Judgement - Onimaru
21 - the World - omitted
I think that fits pretty well!
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Post by banewlf on Sept 13, 2016 5:50:10 GMT 1
IMO Justice - Degrey the Moon - Grave the Hanged Man - Gwen
works better.
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Post by "Jonny D" Jonny "Jonny D" D on Sept 13, 2016 12:03:50 GMT 1
The World - Geiger.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 13, 2016 12:37:30 GMT 1
I have some quibbles!
2 - The High Priestess - Persephone - The High Priestess is the keeper of all secret knowledge and I think Persephone fits that pretty well. 3 - The Empress - Valerie - The Empress is about fertility, growth, and creation. I don't think Valerie is an amazing pick here, but I'm hard-pressed to think of someone who's better for the position. Maybe Geiger? 4 - The Emperor - Menelker - The Emperor is lord of his domain and is unquestioned. All his actions are in alignment with his values. This basically screams PTW and Menelker to me. 5 - The Hierophant - Rook - This one wasn't changed but I wanted to remark on how absolutely perfect this placement is. 11 - Justice - DeGrey - I changed this one because I think DeGrey represents and strives for Justice more than Grave does. 12 - The Hanged Man - Grave - I really like the idea of Grave being the Hanged Man because it represents his change in perspective after Menelker kills Midori. 15 - The Devil - Quince - The Devil is a card about self-entrapment and deceit and I think Quince takes that fucking cake. 17 - The Star - Gloria - The Star is about vulnerability and openness and I think Gloria's the prime candidate for that.
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Post by hamvvar on Sept 13, 2016 15:45:26 GMT 1
I thought Val could be Lovers. Just for congruity i'd rather remove the Fool and the World, but all your lists are great.
||12 - The Hanged Man - Grave - I really like the idea of Grave being the Hanged Man because it represents his change in perspective after Menelker kills Midori.
this is tue, and the Hanged Man also represents self-flagellation in the name of seeking knowledge and self improvement. So that's great for Grave.
If we could pull 2 codex heroes in to fill the empty spots, who should they be?
River Montoya the Fool?
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 13, 2016 17:03:17 GMT 1
yay Tarot nerds! :3
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Post by Kraetyz on Sept 13, 2016 17:29:31 GMT 1
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 13, 2016 17:47:18 GMT 1
I don't think I know enough about any of the Codex heroes, but Calamandra could potentially be the Empress. River as the Fool seems an odd choice. She seems too self-possessed to represent the newness of the Fool to me.
Sidenote: Does anyone have a favorite tarot deck that they use or just enjoy looking at? I'm personally quite the fan of the Lunatic Tarot by Evan Yifeng. It's my go to deck for readings.
Extra Sidenote: It would be truly amusing if all of the less math-intensive Yomi players also had a deep and abiding interest in Tarot.
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 13, 2016 18:36:54 GMT 1
I like the look of the "classic" Rider-Whaite or whatever that one's called, the most. Most of the other stuff I've seen look too... overwrought for my materialist tastes. I wouldn't say I have a deep interest in it though - I think it's a fun RNG (random narrative generator).
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 13, 2016 19:17:33 GMT 1
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Post by Kraetyz on Sept 13, 2016 19:38:20 GMT 1
I have no idea about anything when it comes to Tarot cards, other than the Yu-Gi-Oh cards based on them. I still bought a Kult-themed Tarot deck through the kickstarter because how could I say no?
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 13, 2016 20:44:33 GMT 1
Yeah that's the one flagrantangles though mine is more vibrant/less brown looking those other decks are exactly the kind of deck I don't like our preferred tarot aesthetics are incompatible, probably because Jupiter is in the third house right now FYI hth
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Post by hamvvar on Sept 13, 2016 22:03:33 GMT 1
Rider Waite is my favourite tarot by far. Thoth tarot has great art but I'm not a huge Crowley fan and they can be hard to parse visually.
The Rider Waite deck for me really exemplifies clean iconic and comprehensible symbology. Beyond just RNG they have such richness to their design that they can just super easily generate any kind of narrative you could want to pull.
I'll also read your Runes or I Ching
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Post by Bomber678 on Sept 14, 2016 6:25:21 GMT 1
Yeah nah I'm not into tarot. No such luck.
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Post by thehug0naut on Sept 14, 2016 10:12:32 GMT 1
I've never thought of using Tarot cards for narrative generation, interesting. As a regular GM I might pick up a set for this express purpose.
I think I perhaps have an odd position on such things. I've long had a fascination with superstition/supernatural lore and at one time was quite religious; however I'm also a highly qualified physicist and find myself becoming more of a hardcore skeptic as I get older. My training in critical thinking and the scientific method definitely contributed to my crisis of faith and eventual rejection of religion (though a major factor was also the church leaders being confirmed arseholes).
I guess secretly I'd quite like something supernatural to be real (since it would revolutionize so much of human thought) but I am almost certain that none of it is.
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Post by Bomber678 on Sept 14, 2016 12:58:08 GMT 1
I've never thought of using Tarot cards for narrative generation, interesting. As a regular GM I might pick up a set for this express purpose. I think I perhaps have an odd position on such things. I've long had a fascination with superstition/supernatural lore and at one time was quite religious; however I'm also a highly qualified physicist and find myself becoming more of a hardcore skeptic as I get older. My training in critical thinking and the scientific method definitely contributed to my crisis of faith and eventual rejection of religion (though a major factor was also the church leaders being confirmed arseholes). I guess secretly I'd quite like something supernatural to be real (since it would revolutionize so much of human thought) but I am almost certain that none of it is. Boy, the things I could show you... Although yeah some church leaders are kinda bad
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 14, 2016 14:15:23 GMT 1
Yeah that's the one flagrantangles though mine is more vibrant/less brown looking those other decks are exactly the kind of deck I don't like our preferred tarot aesthetics are incompatible, probably because Jupiter is in the third house right now FYI hth All of them? I was certain you wouldn't care for the Lunatic Tarot or the Darkana Tarot. I thought that maybe you'd think Shadowscapes was beautiful and I thought there was about a 70% chance you'd like Tarot of the Magical Forest since there's no departure from the the traditional RW symbolism. The art is just more beautiful (in my opinion) and they replaced all the humans with adorable animals. All these planets and their houses. Sounds like they could use a little help with that.
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 14, 2016 14:18:00 GMT 1
Rider Waite is my favourite tarot by far. Thoth tarot has great art but I'm not a huge Crowley fan and they can be hard to parse visually. The Rider Waite deck for me really exemplifies clean iconic and comprehensible symbology. Beyond just RNG they have such richness to their design that they can just super easily generate any kind of narrative you could want to pull. I'll also read your Runes or I Ching I've always wanted a copy of Thoth since it seems an interesting change of pace. I have the Faerie's Oracle by Brian Froud and it's very lovely but it's not a deck I can personally read with very well. Ooooh, I'd be super interested in both Runes or Yijing (my Mandarin snobbery comes to the fore!). I'm curious how you cast your hexagrams for the Yijing. Do you use coins or some other method? As for Runes, I know next to nothing about that. They're Nordic in origin, yes?
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Post by flagrantangles on Sept 14, 2016 14:24:03 GMT 1
I've never thought of using Tarot cards for narrative generation, interesting. As a regular GM I might pick up a set for this express purpose. I think I perhaps have an odd position on such things. I've long had a fascination with superstition/supernatural lore and at one time was quite religious; however I'm also a highly qualified physicist and find myself becoming more of a hardcore skeptic as I get older. My training in critical thinking and the scientific method definitely contributed to my crisis of faith and eventual rejection of religion (though a major factor was also the church leaders being confirmed arseholes). I guess secretly I'd quite like something supernatural to be real (since it would revolutionize so much of human thought) but I am almost certain that none of it is. TRIPLE POSTING. Tarot is fantastic for shifting perspective and possibly getting people to sit and think. I don't generally view it in a super magical/oracular way. I like Tarot because I can easily use it as a way to get to know someone and I can help people work through issues. Sometimes people don't know how to start hard conversations, especially if they feel vulnerable, but when you create a story/narrative with Tarot cards, they now have a framework and they can use that. Furthermore, because Tarot is somewhat nebulous, it can open up different ways of thinking about things and get people out of certain ruts. Sidestory: When I was in college, I had a roommate who was studying music education and smoking a lot of pot. He was a nice enough fellow, especially since he didn't smoke in our room. One evening, I was sorting through my Tarot cards and he had a fellow music education student over. She saw me sorting through my cards and asked, "Are those Tarot cards?" I told her, "Yes. Would you like a reading?" She responded, "No, I can't. I'm Catholic." I replied "I don't think it's a conflict bec-" and then she cuts me off, says, "Okay," and sits down for a reading. All I could think was, "Not that dedicated to Catholicism, are you?"
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 14, 2016 15:18:43 GMT 1
Yeah that's the one flagrantangles though mine is more vibrant/less brown looking those other decks are exactly the kind of deck I don't like our preferred tarot aesthetics are incompatible, probably because Jupiter is in the third house right now FYI hth All of them? I was certain you wouldn't care for the Lunatic Tarot or the Darkana Tarot. I thought that maybe you'd think Shadowscapes was beautiful and I thought there was about a 70% chance you'd like Tarot of the Magical Forest since there's no departure from the the traditional RW symbolism. The art is just more beautiful (in my opinion) and they replaced all the humans with adorable animals. All these planets and their houses. Sounds like they could use a little help with that. I think they're all very beautiful! As art pieces they're really nice to look at! I just feel like they're not as evocative as the Rider Waite deck, in the sense that they give me less to work with when I'm trying to construct a narrative. They're too "smooth" looking in a way that, I feel, makes them harder to interpret in a lot of different ways.
Like pareidolia, where you see patterns in cliff faces or clouds or whatever, and they look like human faces or other familiar objects and shapes. I feel like Rider Waite is just way better at giving a diversity of patterns to play with than any other deck I've seen. Like the cyberpunk deck is really cool looking, for example, but cyberpunk is a genre that has its basis in a bunch of other forms - the noir, the detective story, upstairs/downstairs dramas, etc. The tropes and figures are all of a very certain aesthetic. Rider Waite feels much more archetypal, in a way I find more satisfying and flexible; equally able to reflect or address modern life, a D&D game, or a sci-fi story.
imo ymmv etc.
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Post by thehug0naut on Sept 14, 2016 15:59:36 GMT 1
I've never thought of using Tarot cards for narrative generation, interesting. As a regular GM I might pick up a set for this express purpose. I think I perhaps have an odd position on such things. I've long had a fascination with superstition/supernatural lore and at one time was quite religious; however I'm also a highly qualified physicist and find myself becoming more of a hardcore skeptic as I get older. My training in critical thinking and the scientific method definitely contributed to my crisis of faith and eventual rejection of religion (though a major factor was also the church leaders being confirmed arseholes). I guess secretly I'd quite like something supernatural to be real (since it would revolutionize so much of human thought) but I am almost certain that none of it is. TRIPLE POSTING. Tarot is fantastic for shifting perspective and possibly getting people to sit and think. I don't generally view it in a super magical/oracular way. I like Tarot because I can easily use it as a way to get to know someone and I can help people work through issues. Sometimes people don't know how to start hard conversations, especially if they feel vulnerable, but when you create a story/narrative with Tarot cards, they now have a framework and they can use that. Furthermore, because Tarot is somewhat nebulous, it can open up different ways of thinking about things and get people out of certain ruts. Sidestory: When I was in college, I had a roommate who was studying music education and smoking a lot of pot. He was a nice enough fellow, especially since he didn't smoke in our room. One evening, I was sorting through my Tarot cards and he had a fellow music education student over. She saw me sorting through my cards and asked, "Are those Tarot cards?" I told her, "Yes. Would you like a reading?" She responded, "No, I can't. I'm Catholic." I replied "I don't think it's a conflict bec-" and then she cuts me off, says, "Okay," and sits down for a reading. All I could think was, "Not that dedicated to Catholicism, are you?" =TRIPLE WINNING, at least according to Kraetyz An interesting view on tarot for sure. I think for a lot of people who do take these things as "gospel" so to speak, it maybe is just them working through what they actually want/have. I mean if you think something is fated to be/not to be its easier to put efforts into making it happen / getting over it not happening. Remind me, if we ever meet, to request a reading from you. Haha I know a lot of people who do religion like in that story. In someways that's probably the healthier way to be about religion imo, having seen a more fundamentalist side. Even though "these supernatural things I believe in are real" combined with "my faith is really nominal" don't really make any logical sense.
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Post by thehug0naut on Sept 14, 2016 16:02:38 GMT 1
All of them? I was certain you wouldn't care for the Lunatic Tarot or the Darkana Tarot. I thought that maybe you'd think Shadowscapes was beautiful and I thought there was about a 70% chance you'd like Tarot of the Magical Forest since there's no departure from the the traditional RW symbolism. The art is just more beautiful (in my opinion) and they replaced all the humans with adorable animals. All these planets and their houses. Sounds like they could use a little help with that. I think they're all very beautiful! As art pieces they're really nice to look at! I just feel like they're not as evocative as the Rider Waite deck, in the sense that they give me less to work with when I'm trying to construct a narrative. They're too "smooth" looking in a way that, I feel, makes them harder to interpret in a lot of different ways.
Like pareidolia, where you see patterns in cliff faces or clouds or whatever, and they look like human faces or other familiar objects and shapes. I feel like Rider Waite is just way better at giving a diversity of patterns to play with than any other deck I've seen. Like the cyberpunk deck is really cool looking, for example, but cyberpunk is a genre that has its basis in a bunch of other forms - the noir, the detective story, upstairs/downstairs dramas, etc. The tropes and figures are all of a very certain aesthetic. Rider Waite feels much more archetypal, in a way I find more satisfying and flexible; equally able to reflect or address modern life, a D&D game, or a sci-fi story.
imo ymmv etc.
Did anyone ever tell you when you talk about smart stuff you sound like a wise mystic? I think I may be used to goonery juicer
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Post by mysticjuicer on Sept 14, 2016 16:15:18 GMT 1
I pride myself on being able to play all sides of the 'smart shit', 'stupid shit', 'strictly incorrect shit' triangle.
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Post by hamvvar on Sept 14, 2016 16:18:46 GMT 1
I pride myself on being able to play all sides of the 'smart shit', 'stupid shit', 'strictly incorrect shit' triangle. That's being a Knower in the Game of Life
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